Behind the Scenes

Dive In With Dann - Questions With A Zen Float Tent Owner

For this week's Facebook Live we decided to bring on our first ever guest to the show. Get ready to learn about Dann, a Zen Float Tent owner and avid floater from Philadelphia. 

In this video we ask Dann about how he got into floating, his practice, Dann's struggle with anxiety and how floating plays a role in his health and wellness routine. 

Click the play button below to watch and listen now.

Dann is a single father, UX design director, DJ, digital artist, and sensory deprivation enthusiast. You can learn more about him by following him on Instagram @djdannd

[Video] - Unboxing The Worlds Only Affordable Home Float Tank

During one of our Wednesday Facebook Live Videos we thought it would be cool to unbox a Zen Float Tent, so you can see first-hand exactly what you'll get when you decide to invest in one of our home float tanks.

If you have any questions that weren't answered in this video, feel free to leave it in the comments below and we will get back to you with an answer ASAP. Click the play button below to watch now:

[Video] - How To Take Care of the Water In Your Float Tank

So you've got a float tank setup at home with over 200 gallons of water and 800lbs of epsom salt. But now what? How do you honestly keep that much salt water clean and sanitized?

When it comes to float tank water care, it's not as hard as a lot of people to believe it to be. But it's kind of like maintaining a car. If you wait until your tires are bald or forget to upkeep on your oil changes, it makes it a lot harder to get things back on track again.

If you maintain a regular cleaning schedule from the get-go, keeping your float tank water clean and fresh is easy-peasy. Check out the video below to learn more:

In this video our team discusses:

  • The 6 main aspects of water care
  • The difference between the quick water care guide and complete guide 
  • Where to find cleaning products and tools
  • Tips + tricks for easier water care maintenance

Other Resources:

Link to Quick Maintenance Guide 

Link to Complete Water Care Guide

[Video] - How To Fill Up A Float Tent: Part 2

This is the second video in a two-part video series showing you all the steps that go into filling up a float tent, installing the pumps and cover, and getting the Float Tent ready for your first float. 

In this video our team covers:

  • How to install the filter pumps, tubes, tent cover and door poles.
  • Tips and tricks for the best home install
  • The main differences between the v1.0 and current 1.5 new and improved model of the Float Tent
  • What to do if your tank gets a leak or tear 
  • Tricks for sound-proofing
  • Post-Float relaxation tips

 

Are you ready to improve your home and life with a Float Tent? Start by requesting a complimentary shipping quote here. Save hundreds of dollars over floating at your annual center and join hundreds of others already enjoying the benefits of floating from home. 

    [Video] - How To Fill Up A Float Tent: Part 1

    Have you ever wondered what goes in to filling up a float tank with 200 gallons of water and 800 pounds of epsom salt?

    It sounds like a ton of work just to be able to experience the many benefits of sensory deprivation at home, but surprisingly it's easier than you think!

    To give you a visual idea of what goes into filling up a tank, we did a Facebook LIVE video and filmed our team filling up a Float Tent for use at the Zen Float Co office. In the video below, we answer questions live from our Facebook audience and also share some our most valuable tips and secrets.

    Whether you've been on the fence about buying a float tank for yourself or are just curious after watching an episode of Netflix's 'Stranger Things', this video is worth checking out.

    View the full replay by clicking the play below button below. 

    In this video, our team covers:

    • Tips before getting started
    • Why we include an inline water filter with your purchase
    • Things to consider when choosing the placement of your float tank
    • The best ways to mix up the epsom salt
    • Different ways to insulate the bottom of the tank 
    • Where to purchase bulk epsom salt
    • How often you need to purchase and replace the epsom salt 
    • Other tips about at home sensory deprivation and maintenance 

    Think you might be ready to own a tank? 

    Start by requesting a complimentary brochure.

    Save hundreds of dollars over floating at your annual center and join hundreds of others already enjoying the benefits of floating from home. 

    Floating and the Red Carpet

    A couple of weeks ago our company had a cool opportunity to go and setup a Float Tent on the red carpet in Hollywood, for E! Online's Live From the Red Carpet Oscars 2016 show. It was live to millions and we were beyond excited to get to show our product off on National Television for the very first time.

    To represent our company we sent our co founder, Shane, and Jaymie, our head of marketing, to talk about our product and demonstrate how it works. 

    Watch the clip below for a full replay of the segment:

     

    If you haven't tried floating yet, what's stopping you? Book a float now at a center near you.

    Or find out more about our home float tank setup by clicking here. 

    Floating Research and The Impact On Our Mental Health with Justin Feinstein

    We had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Justin Feinstein, Director of the Float Clinic and Research Center (FCRC) at the Laureate Institute for Brain Research. The FCRC’s mission is to investigate the effects of floatation on both the body and the brain, as well as explore its potential as a therapeutic treatment for promoting mental health and healing in patients who suffer from conditions such as anxiety, addiction, and anorexia.


    In our interview, Justin tells us how he first heard about float tanks and shares some of his research and insight on how floating can help alleviate stress and anxiety.

     

    Q: How did you first hear about floating?

    A: I was working at a neuroscience laboratory at Caltech. This serendipitously happens to be the same place that John C. Lilly went for his undergraduate degree about 75 years before I was there. But basically, for the last 15 years I had studied neuroscience and I’d been very interested in consciousness and very interested in subjective emotion and feeling states. But in particular I’ve been focused on anxiety, both for personal reasons and my career, with an eye towards how we can alleviate anxiety.

    When I was in the lab at Caltech working with patients, one of the research assistants who shared an office with me at the time, came to me on a Monday and over the weekend she had just had her first float. At the time I had never even heard of what a float tank was. She preceded to tell me over the next several hours with great drama how intense and powerful this first float was for her. I listened with great curiosity because she had been describing something I had been interested in almost my entire life.

    What she was describing to me was what’s known in our field as interoception. The idea is how to access what’s happening in our inner body. It really brings to bare the idea that inside all of us is a pathway into our brain that provides signals about the internal milieu of our body. It provides signals about the heart beating, the blood pulsating, your lungs and respiration, it provides signals about the immune system and it provides signals from the gut. And all these various signals come into the brain through a dedicated pathway. This interoceptive pathway had been my focus of research for many years dating back to the early 2000’s.

    When she was describing her first float to me it became clear to me, even though she didn’t use those words, that what she was accessing was her interoceptive self. What was really interesting to me is that at the same time I was hearing this story I was learning about the primary disruption to this same pathway in patients who suffered from anxiety disorder. There’s something about this interoceptive pathway that’s critical for anxiety, it seems to be dysregulated in anxiety disorders. When you float, it provides a sneak peak into this pathway in a way that you could never access outside of a float.

    She continued to describe how liberated she felt after her first float and I was to be honest, both scared and fascinated. The fascination because of everything I just talked about but the fear because I knew I had to try this.
     

    Q: How did you feel after your first float?

    A: I think a lot of my first float was pure novelty. Everything was new…. from the sensation of no gravity–to being able to feel my heart beating in such an intense way–to letting my physiological systems come down to an all time low. I definitely felt relaxed but at the same time had my mind turning. As soon as I stepped out of the float tank, the first thing I wanted to do is figure out how I could buy one of these to start doing research with it.

     

    Q: How did you transition into actually doing research on floating?

    A: It wasn’t until my second or third float that I achieved a state of pure sensory awareness, unlike anything I’d ever obtained before meditating outside of the float tank. At that moment in the tank I felt total bliss and it was really with moments like these, and repeated moments like these, that I realized how powerful this environment is. I knew I needed to pursue floating as a line of research.

    I was able to team up with my original mentor from when I was a freshman in college at UCSD named Dr. Martin Paulus. Together, we did a lot of work during my time at UCSD and one area we had a lot of success with was studying the concept of interoception.

    Around the same time that I was discovering floating as technique, Dr. Paulus had been offered the position as the scientific director of this institute that had recently opened in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I was collaborating with him on a project I was working on at Caltech and was visiting him in San Diego when I mentioned some of my experiences using float tanks. He started talking to me about this opportunity at LIBR and it was over the course of that week that we put our heads together and realized how ideal this situation was for a few reasons. We were able to reconnect and reunite after a decade of not working together, we had the opportunity to pursue a novel line of research that no one else in the neuroscience community has focused on, and better than that, we knew that the core mission for LIBR was to think outside of the box to come up with brand new novel treatments for mental illness.  In this case, we actually went inside the box because we decided to pursue floating as a treatment. I can’t emphasize how serendipitous all of this was.

    Pictured third from the right is Dr. Justin Feinstein and his team of LIBR researchers

    Q: Why do you think floatation therapy alleviates the negative symptoms of stress?

    A: I think there are several reasons but two in particular. First off, our brain is wired in such a way to be reflexively triggered by the outer world. We’re living in the midst of an anxiety epidemic and a lot of this is driven by our technology. Smartphones in particular have taken off in such a way that almost every culture and every country has these now. It gives us instant connectivity and it provides us with a slew of conveniences that we never used to have.

    What our society doesn’t realize though is that every time we get pinged with a new text message, or a new email, or a new phone call or every time we get some update on our Facebook or Twitter, it’s setting off a cascade of events in our brain that creates a state of temporary stress.

    We become addicted to this, to a point where we aren’t able to leave our phones behind us or disconnect from them in any way, shape or form. It’s affecting our sleep patterns. It’s affecting our ability to socialize and our ability to communicate in the real world rather than the virtual world. It’s affecting us because people are now living in a constant state of connectivity.

    So, one of the reasons I think floating helps stress is because it's the ultimate form of disconnection. It allows your brain to literally go into a state of rest without having any distractions whatsoever from the external world.

    The second thing is that stress isn’t just in the brain. It’s physiological, it's through the entire body. One of the most strong and powerful results of the past research into floating is the profound physiological effects that floating has on the body.

    We’ve created equipment here at LIBR to study this. We have devices to measure things like blood pressure, heart rate, respiration, EEG, movement, and what we’re finding across all of these measures is that you are entering into a state of absolute relaxation. Your blood pressure is going way down, your respiration is going way down, your heart rate is going down. So you’re really entering into a physiological state of relaxation, which is the exact opposite of the state of stress. Floating doesn’t only affect the brain.  It has profound effects on the body as well.
     

    Q: In your professional opinion, what would be the benefits of being able to float at home?

    A: It would certainly provide that access (to floating) that a lot of people are missing. Having the ability to float at home is so beneficial, especially for clinical populations who can do this on a regular basis. It can help them better control their symptoms and also help them achieve the relief and benefits that they really need.

     

    In summary, the future of floating is bright. We find it very encouraging that research both old and new are focusing on the idea of float therapy as a treatment not only on stress and anxiety, but also for overall health and wellness.  We also look forward to Dr. Feinstein’s research, more of which he will present at the yearly Float Conference.

     

     

    We're on Periscope!

    Have you heard of Periscope?

    It's a new video streaming app owned by Twitter that allows you to broadcast live video right from your mobile phone to anywhere in the world. Users of the app can also like and comment on videos while they are being broadcasted live.

    Once the broadcast is over, Periscope allows anyone to view it for up to 24 hours before it's gone. It's only been around for a few months now but it's already accumulated over 2 million users and if you logon to the app you'll see hundreds of scopes taking place at every hour of the day. 

    We just recently joined Periscope!  So if you use the app, give us a follow @ZenFloatCo.

    We were first turned on to Periscope by one of our customers, Jeremy Lopez, after he did a broadcast in front if his Zen Float Tent a few months ago. We loved it so much, we decided to partner with him last night for our first official scope!

    Being an online company, we don't always get the chance to meet each and everyone of our customers. Majority lie out of state and all over the world. But we loved the idea that Periscope allows us to connect with them anywhere, at any given moment!

    Last night we officially hosted our first Periscope broadcast with our co-founder Shane and  Jeremy. We've included a replay of the scope's below to give you an idea of how it works. Shane was scoping from his home in Salt Lake City, Utah while Jeremy was scoping from his home in Corpus Christi, Texas. It's pretty amazing that technology even allows us to do this!

     

    Shane starts off the scope on the Zen Float Co Channel:

     

    Jeremy Lopez Kicks off the second half of the scope talking about floating, the zen float tent, and answering questions about floating. 

     

    And don't forget to follow us and Join us LIVE on our next Periscope broadcast! 

     

    Floating with Duncan Trussell

     Photo by  DeviantArt

    Photo by DeviantArt

    The Duncan Trussell Family Hour is a weekly podcast where comedian Duncan Trussell explores the outer reaches of the multiverse. Visit his website and listen to his podcasts in case you want to discover out more about what his shows entail. Duncan is also a frequent guest on the Joe Rogan Experience and is a regular home floater. 

    Recently, Duncan had Shane on his podcast to talk float tanks and it was such a powerful episode we wanted to share it with all our friends and readers here on the blog. We've highlighted the best parts of the show below for you to listen to. Enjoy!



    Highlights:

    0:58 – Intro: Duncan introduces Shane to the show and gives his testimonial on his Zen Float Tent

    19:36 – Duncan asks Shane, "What is your theory about what is happening when a person lays in a float tank for an extended period of time?"

    21:37 – Shane talks about what it feels like once you get out of a float tank after a session.

    22:53 - Duncan and Shane discuss the history of John C. Lilly, inventor of the first float tank

    28:07 – Duncan asks Shane if he's ever felt a presence in the tank with him.

    32:33 – Duncan and Shane discuss the effects and benefits of floating once you float for longer than hour.

    38:05 – Duncan admits his most intense and strange moments inside of a float tank.

    44:41 – Shane talks about the importance of floating more than once to really get the full effects of the experience. 

    46:12 – The state of float.

    51:03 – Duncan talks about John C Lilly's book, "Tanks for the Memories,

    53:17 - Duncan talks about how he used floating for mental visualization and help him through a stand-up comedy performance that he was nervous about performing in. 

    107:13 – Duncan asks Shane where he foresees the floating industry heading in the future. 

    117:13 – Duncan asks Shane if he plans to make commercial or higher grade versions of the Zen Float Tent.

     

    Takeaways We Enjoyed

    We love how Shane compares your body to a running phone or computer. "It's like our bodies have all these apps open and running all the time. Floating is like closing all the apps so you can run at a better speed.  It's a powerful place to be. "

    Another great point is that, "Most of the benefit of floating comes from outside of tank - once you get your float habit your life starts to change a little bit. You approach life from a calmer more relaxed place and therefore it makes your life a calmer and more relaxed place."

    Floating is like riding a bike, you just have to let go and trust, and learn to do it. You won't be great at it the first time but each time you float you get better and better at it.  

     

    Notes

    Duncan Trussell Family Hour Website

    Duncan Trussell on Twitter

    Shane's New Book on Floating: The Float Tank Cure

     

    CALL TO ACTION:

    - Have you ever felt a presence in the tank like Duncan and Shane talk about in this episode?

    - How many float session did it take for you to let go and really relax? 

    - What part of the show did you enjoy listening to the most? 

     

    Share your answers with us in the comments below!

     

    Shane Launches His First Book on Floating

    It's an exciting week around here at Zen Float Co. Between the launch of Shane's new book, The Float Tank Cure, and the annual Float Conference taking place in Portland, Oregon later this week, we have been busy prepping for both events. 

      Shane prepping and signing over 400+ books for the upcoming Float Conference.

    Shane prepping and signing over 400+ books for the upcoming Float Conference.

    But let's go back for a second to Shane's new book. Because not only is it a big deal for him (*round of applause for Shane*), but it's a big deal for our entire industry.

    It's no secret that floating has been on the rise and trending in the news lately. Yet, you'll still run into people ALL THE TIME who have no idea what floating is or don't understand what it's all about. In Shane's new book, The Float Tank Cure: Free Yourself of Stress, Anxiety and Pain the Natural Way, he dives deeper into the benefits of floating and how it is helping change lives all over the world.

    In the book, not only will you get to read about his personal journey to finding the float cure but you'll hear from many others who have experienced the cure too. If nothing else, you'll feel inspired and have a better understanding of why floating is such a powerful, natural tool for a balanced and healthy life

    Unlike other books in the industry that can be harder to comprehend or were written before the modern days of floating, Shane does a really great job of explaining floating as it is today without using any confusing terminology or language. The Float Tank Cure is the perfect book to introduce people to the concept floating but can also provide insight on the continued practice of floating for experienced floaters.

    We are so excited for Shane and his new book on floating. Please help support the industry of floating by purchasing a copy here and sharing it with your family, friends and coworkers. Everyone deserves to know about the benefits and healing powers of floating–and this is a great place to start. 

    Zen Float Co: One Year Later

    One year ago today, the Zen Float Tent was officially funded on Kickstarter and the vision of our company as we know it was born.  To say we are amazed by how far we have come in just one year would be an understatement.  Each and every day the amount of people that are able to float at home increases and we are proud to announce that we now have hundreds of float tents running all across America and worldwide.

    Zen Float Company has taken the home floating industry to a whole new level and has made a product that we believe is changing people’s live for the better. We’ve received numerous amounts of testimonials, photos, videos, and even written letters from our customers about how much of a difference floating regularly has improved their health, happiness, and overall well-being.  The dream we had before we launched our Kickstarter campaign was always to make floating more accessible so more people could experience the powerful effects of floating at home. We had no idea it would happen so fast and that we would receive so much positive feedback along the way.

    At the end of the day though, we haven’t forgotten that we only exist because of all of you. Our Kickstarter Campaign was one of the most successful campaigns in Utah history and it made a huge difference having the support that we did in order to get to our start.  

     Celebrating the funding of our campaign one year ago. Pictured from the left: Sean, Will (on the android), and Shane, the three founders of Zen Float Company. 

    Celebrating the funding of our campaign one year ago. Pictured from the left: Sean, Will (on the android), and Shane, the three founders of Zen Float Company. 

    Over the course of this last year we have been incredibly focused on promoting and perfecting our float tent for the best home float experience possible. But this is only half of the customer experience equation.  The other half is operational excellence in how we service our customers and interact with them - on the phone, online, in our forums, and through our social media channels.  We do acknowledge that we can still do a better job with our customers to make sure each interactions is excellent…from the moment a customer orders a tent, to the time of setup, to how we respond to any issues, and the length of time between responses.

    We have made significant changes including the hiring of an additional staff member. In November of 2014 we brought on our dedicated customer service rep, Mason. He’s your go-to for anything and everything in relation to questions, concerns, product support, and whatever else you might need assistance with. His sole responsibility is to ensure that all of our customers are being taken care of and because he is the only customer service team rep, you’ll never be confused by who you might have spoken with or feel like you’ve been placed on the phone with some random call center employee.  

    Feedback from our floaters is also extremely important to us here at Zen Float Co.  We’ve sent out surveys to all of our customers that had purchased a float tent from the very beginning of our Kickstarter Days through January of 2015. The amount of response we received back was tremendous! We have been using every bit of that information to help improve our business and products as we make changes moving forward.  

    When we first launched the Zen Float Tent we knew it was really good but not quite great. However, your feedback over this last year has given us the tools and information necessary to make it great. Though it’s not yet been officially announced, we have a new set of upgraded components being released next month that we know will make all the difference in how our product performs. More details to come about this soon but we know you are going to love it.  

    We also sent out a survey a few months back asking what accessories you would like to see provided with the Zen Float Tent and since then we have released T-shirts, maintenance & replacement parts, and the My Zen App.  We are also in the works of testing out underwater speakers and some other exciting stuff that we know all of our customers will be pumped about.  

    Lastly, the Zen Float Co Forum has been a huge resource for many of our customers to connect and share their voice.  After many requests of a new forum design that allows for better navigability and organization, we are proud to have a redesigned a forum that we feel will help our community better connect online. Please check it out here. We were not able to move over all of the old forum conversations, but you can still view and search through them for important information.  

    Looking forward, we see a great deal of potential ahead.  Some of our previous setbacks will transition into successes and we see hundreds of float tents as simply the beginning of a huge revolution. We’re excited to have you all along for the ride with us. Thank you so much for all of your support.  



    A little flashback to one year ago when we found out that the Zen Float Tent was going to be a reality.   

    Floating For Athletic Performance: An Interview with NFL Athlete Marvin Jones

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    Many of our worlds' biggest athletes today use floating for recovery and to enhance their performance.  They also find that it keeps them on top of their game and improves their mental focus.  This is the certainly the case with American Athlete & NFL Football Player, Marvin Jones, wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals.  

    We were thrilled when Marvin recently reached out to us interested in getting a Zen Float Tent setup in his home so he could begin floating on a regular basis.  After hurting his foot in last year's training camp and suffering from a bunch of setbacks that caused him to miss the entire 2014 football season, he was ready for anything that would help him speed up the process of rehab and recovery.  

    After helping Marvin setup his Zen Float Tent in his home he was nice enough to sit down with us for a brief interview to talk about his career and how he plans to use floating to prepare himself going into the 2015 season. Check out this video below that features our exclusive interview with him. 

    In reference to floating: “Why not do it every day? If it helps my body, and my body is my job, why not do it every chance that I got?”
    — Marvin Jones, Jr.

    How exactly will the Zen Float Tent help athletes like Marvin Jones with athletic performance?

     

    Relaxation/Stress Relief – With 800 lbs. of epsom salt in each float tent, blood flow is increased and your muscles instantly start to relax while a profound state of calmness is achieved.

    Muscle Soreness/Pain Relief – Deep relaxation reduces pain by decreasing lactic acid buildup and increasing endorphins. Essentially, it's like a natural form of pain medicine. 

    Increased Visualization – The float tent is great for In-tank visualization which improves overall coordination and performance skill.

    With such dramatic benefits like these, we wouldn't be surprised if every single athlete were to get into floating whether it be to recover from an injury or just improve their performance on the field.

    Marvin has been floating at home for a few weeks now and we can't wait to see how floating at home on a regular basis helps him in this year's upcoming football season. 

     

    If you're interested in finding out more information about floating for athletic performance, please click here.   

     

    Meet the Team: William Hill

    Ever wondered who the masterminds are behind the Zen Float Tent?  This week we are introducing you to one of them and his name is Will.  

    A huge part of our production has been possible thanks to Will.  He's been responsible for carefully hand-selecting the materials that we have put into the tent and also working closely with our designers to create our affordable, portable, easy-to-ship product.  Get to know Will and discover more about where his passion for floating stemmed from by reading our full interview with him below. 

    “The feeling of being part of a close team that is breaking new ground, doing something that hasn’t been done before is awesome.”

    If you had to describe yourself in one sentence, what would it be?

    Im a product designer and production manager.

     

    What do you like to do in your free time when you're not obsessing over floating? 

    I enjoy time with the family and my hobby is growing cell cultures from a number of plants.

     

    How long have you been floating and what made you get into it?

    I started floating in 1997 after reading about it on the internet.

     

    What is it that you like about floating the most?

    That moment when you first sit up after a float, when everything seems be going half the speed it was before.

     

    How often do you float at home?

    Once to twice a week depending on my schedule.

     

    How did you get involved with the creation of the Zen Float Tent?

    I wanted to float at home. The first one I used and made was actually set up in the office, the other designers didn't know what I was doing and the cleaner thought we had dogs in the tent!

     

    Why do you love being a part of Zen Float Company?

    The feeling of being part of a close team that is breaking new ground, doing something that hasn't been done before is awesome.

     

    If today were your last day on earth, what 5 things could you not live without?

    Food, Happiness, Memories, Family, and of-course I'd need the tank to get through it!

    How I Found Synchronicity in Portland Meeting Glenn and Lee Perry

    At this year's Float Conference I met so many great people. There is nothing quite like being in an auditorium filled with floaters. The most random and interesting conversations always pop up. I truly enjoy my time there, and I can't thank Ashkahn and Graham from FloatOn enough for putting the event on. 

    I had a really amazing thing happen to me shortly after the conference that blew my mind. My wife Jamie and I had gone for a morning walk to get some breakfast, and we stopped at a hip little breakfast joint. It wasn't close to the conference which is why the next part was so neat.

    As we were waiting for a table two legends in the float industry walked up. It was Glenn and Lee Perry.

    If you're not familiar with them, they were close friends with the inventor of floating John C. Lilly, they own the original float tank company Samadhi, and they established the Floatation Tank Association. For me, they are a VERY BIG DEAL. I mean floating changed my life forever and now I'm creating float tanks for a living. Oh the questions I had for them, that I would probably never get a chance to ask. 

    That's when the magic happened. Glenn recognized me and came over to say hi. After a brief chat he offered "why don't you get a table for 4 so we can talk more." I couldn't believe it, I was about to get my chance.

    The four of us sat down for breakfast and the banter began to flow. We talked about their experiences with John LIlly, their experiences with building and selling float tanks, the celebrities that they had done tanks for, and even some time discussing the new Zen Float Tent.

    What a dream come true! and honestly.... life changing. It felt like I received the good blessing from the founders of floating, and it was a moment in time I will never forget. 

    I kept mentioning how it felt like we were supposed to have that conversation, and I kept thinking of the odds of it happening (very slim in my opinion). Glenn and Lee mentioned it was synchronicity in action, and I would have to agree.